GEORGE
April 1997
Q&A
With David Morehouse
PSYCHIC ESPIONAGE IS WEIRD - EVEN FOR THE CIA. NOW, A REFUGEE FROM
THIS $20 MILLION PROGRAM TELLS RICHARD LAMB WHAT IT'S LIKE
TO BE AN OUT-OF-BODY, OUT-OF-MIND, OTHER-WORLDLY SPY.
He served as aide-de-camp to two generals and as a company commander
in the elite Army Rangers, and everyone said that David Morehouse
was on the fast track to becoming a general himself. But a seemingly
assured path to martial glory was brought to a shattering end
in the Jordanian desert ten years ago. A training accident left
Morehouse subject to unearthly visions and led, so he claims,
to his recruitment as a psychic spy for the U.S. Army
As a kooky spook, Morehouse joined the army's deeply obscure "remote-viewing"
program, code-named Stargate, a Pentagon and CIA venture from
1972 to 1995 that trained ultraselect individuals to transcend
time and space. Such people would, Morehouse says, "view
persons, places, or things in time or space and gather intelligence
information on the same." As a remote viewer, Morehouse undertook
hundreds of missions. They included an astonishing attempt to
go back in time to revisit Korean Airlines Flight 007, moments
before it was shot down by Russian planes over the Sea of Japan.
(He was asked to find out if the plane really did have an intelligence-gathering
capability.) Morehouse was also sent to inspect the burning oil
wells, lit by Saddam Hussein's Republican army during the final
days of the Gulf War, to see if they were a cover for the release
of toxic gas by the Iraqis.
Eventually, Morehouse's life in the world of remote viewing became
too much for him (the not-to-be-underrated psychic burnout factor
working in concert with general angst about the military-political-industrial
complex produces its own special paranoia). It derailed his marriage,
alienated him from his family, and waylaid his career. In turn,
he became apprehensive about Stargate techniques. Encouraged by
an angelic vision to "work for peace," Morehouse violated
his military security agreement and went public in 1993. He was
threatened with a court-martial, though the proceedings were dropped
in November 1994 when Morehouse announced that he would resign
his commission. Now reunited with his wife and family, Morehouse
has helped found the American Association of Remote Viewers, Inc.,
and has written about his experiences in a recent book,
Psychic
Warrior. Meantime, remote viewing was axed by the CIA and
Pentagon in 1995. It seems that the 20-year program, which might
have cost as much as $20 million, was not cost-effective.
Tell me about the persons, places, or things you visited
Here's an example: If there was a new Soviet MiG fighter back
in the Cold War days and we wanted to know what that aircraft's
capabilities were, well, what better way of finding that out than
by augmenting all the other intelligence-collecting platforms
with remote viewers. We were asked to target the mind of the test
pilot and glean the subtle nuances of what it's like to fly the
aircraft - if it's sluggish, is there insufficient power in a
steep banking turn ?
Its several thousand miles to the nearest Soviet airspace.
What was it like to get from here to there?
When I made my separation from the physical body, I would fall
through this tunnel of light, and I would feel myself falling
and falling, and I wouldn't know whether I was up or down, losing
all sight of everything I was in and what my orientation was.
And then I would hit a membrane of some sort, pop through it,
and find myself in the target area.
And you could then "view" the target?
The image of being there - it can be almost as clear as being
in this room. Almost. Never quite as clear as sitting here right
now. It's much more fleeting. It's obscured. It's like looking
around in a dream state, through a fog.
Was your army career prior to Stargate a successful one?
I was a third-generation army officer. I was the honor graduate
of every class I went to. I was the distinguished honor graduate
of airborne school, my ranger school as a cadet, and my officer's
basic course. The army came very easily to me.
What made you a candidate for the Stargate program?
I was a Ranger company commander, and I was training Jordanian
rangers when I was accidentally shot in the head by a machine
gun. The round didn't penetrate my skull: It lodged in my helmet.
But still its kinetic energy was significant enough to knock me
out for a considerable amount of time. While I was knocked out,
I had the first of many visions.
How did you feel about this?
Words of angels, the paranormal, ghosts, apparitions - these were
definitely not within my worldview, and I had no lexicon to support
what was happening to me. So I was a very troubled young man.
Who actually recruited you for the Stargate program?
The command psychologist of the army intelligence unit I was assigned
to at the time. He wasn't actively searching for individuals to
feed into the Stargate program. However, when I presented him
with my nightmares and experiences, he simply had to follow up
and tell the Stargate management about me.
Do other countries have remote-viewing programs?
The Czechs, the Chinese, the Russians. Ivan Sokolov [who was,
according to Morehouse, head of the Soviet equivalent of Stargate]
took the rest of his followers out of the Soviet remote-viewing
program and was hired by the Sony Corporation, allegedly as a
research and development asset but most assuredly as an industrial-espionage
asset.
How did the U.S. program originate?
We found out - and when I say "we" I mean the U.S. government
- that the Soviet Union was heavily involved in paranormal research.
The CIA then wanted to find out if there was any validity to it.
They used hard physical science - not starry-eyed, New Age guru,
candleburning, incense-burning, crystal-wearing-type stuff. What
came out of this was, yes, people can see remote in time and space
and can bring back relatively accurate data.
Have you remote-viewed since leaving the army? You mentioned
earlier that you believe TWA Flight 800 was accidentally brought
down by a directed-energy weapon similar to a high-energy microwave
- technology developed for the Star Wars program.
The navy admits that the USS Normandy, an Aegis Class missile
cruiser, was 185 miles away at the time of the accident. According
to other sources who have seen the actual satellite imagery, the
Normandy was, in fact, 35 miles away. We also know that
the plane blew up some 30 miles from Brookhaven National Laboratory
and from a secret naval-weapons testing facility that is adjacent
to Brookhaven. The speculation we're working with is that the
Normandy fired a target drone, which is why people on the
shore saw this plume - this slow-climbing missile - arc through
the sky Then they fired up a high-powered shorebased microwave
and zapped the aircraft, and - oops! - there was something between
them and the target.
You and others learned this by remote viewing?
Absolutely All of the remote viewers saw an invisible beam of
light, or energy, strike this aircraft and bring it down.
By leaving the Stargate program and writing about remote viewing,
you violated a government security agreement. Do you see civilian
and commercial applications for remote viewing that might make
the breach worthwhile?
If you use remote viewing in law enforcement, if you use it in
science or medicine or medical research and development to find
a cure for cancer or a cure for AIDS, that's good. How does that
work? Here you are, a cancer researcher. You're standing at the
threshold of some obstacle that you have to overcome. And the
only way you have to do that is through standard research methodology.
But at the same time you develop a line of questioning that allows
remote viewers to see beyond the barrier and to pull back answers
to those questions. Now, think of the magic of that.
One of the implications of your book Is that good and evil
actually exist. Have we lost sight of that?
Very much so. We are at a crossroads in human history. The understanding
of good and evil in our lives and in our decision processes as
a human species has been blurred. That's what allows us in good
conscience to build a military-industrial complex that profits
from a $900 billion-a-year global defense industry, marketing
death and destruction across the face of the planet.
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